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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by Nahoj on Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:28 am

EddyMataGallos wrote:trello, i'd say that dude is speedhacking

www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=86679
www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=86673
www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=86652
www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=86600

The first one is specially interesting, its much faster than average check it out.

Yeah, trello is a speedhacker, it's the same dude as clewis202 (who hacked 00-0)
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by EddyMataGallos on Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:18 pm

Oh thanks for the info Johan.
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by EddyMataGallos on Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:55 pm

Hey guys, I think we were wrong with clewis. He just chimneyed in NReality's chimneying level par excellence, 121027, with a pretty good chimney. For now, I think he is legit.
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by cooperverdon on Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:09 am

Why is it that nreality is impossible to hack? Games with anti hacking software can still be hacked. Is cheat engine that hard to use? My bro used it when he was 12 on a game called maplestory. Trello has admitted to being clewis, who hacks.

Eddy how good was the score on nreality? If you had to compare it to typical chimneys on nv2.0.
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by EddyMataGallos on Fri Jul 04, 2014 6:21 pm

cooperverdon wrote:Why is it that nreality is impossible to hack? Games with anti hacking software can still be hacked. Is cheat engine that hard to use? My bro used it when he was 12 on a game called maplestory. Trello has admitted to being clewis, who hacks.

Eddy how good was the score on nreality? If you had to compare it to typical chimneys on nv2.0.
Cheat Engine is peanuts to NReality (i.e. it doesn't work). Nothing works on NReality, it was released in 2007 and so far there hasn't been a way to cheat it, at least that we know. There has been some fake scores, but I don't consider that to be cheating but rather hacking (subtle difference in the terms). Those aren't really a problem because they are easily noticed (the scores do not match the score, they often do not even complete the level and die, and the scores are impossible).

Also, while N used to have a lot of cheaters in the community, some of which were actually pretty famous and integrated in the community/forums, in 2007 they all dissapeared and/or confessed, and no new cheater has appeared since then, which we assume is because now NReality makes it impossible.

Of course, I could be wrong, but as far as my knowledge goes, NReality is really secure, and its what I always ask people to do to confirm their legitimacy. So for now, I will consider him legit. We could ask him to do some more chimneys in NReality but that's it, there's nothing else we can do, NReality is the most secure source we have.

The chimney was 121027, you can check it out by yourself, its pretty fast (only 1 frame from maxed, which by the way has also been reached legitimately). To be honest I was also pretty surprised, but its possible to do that realtime so I guess he might just have pretty good coordination or speed. -> I wonder how does trello chimney. If you are reading this, do you double-shift trello? Do you use a laptop?
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by vrugtehagel on Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:48 pm

I want to say something about the corrupting of levels - I play the downloaded nv2.0. I just deleted some maps, and a few minutes later, I see those deleted levels published by other people. This actually wasn't the case; it were other levels, but because of some bug, n got the wrong level data. But I could finish those maps, but when other people watched it, they saw my runs were corrupted (because I played the wrong level). My point is, you cannot see whether someone cheated or not by a corrupted run. I don't know whether this bug also exists in the browser version.
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by TBOLT on Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:34 pm

I have the same problem sometimes, I play online

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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by cooperverdon on Sat Jul 05, 2014 6:19 am

@eddy
I dont know how to use nreality, and Ive given up trying to play it.
When I was newer I used to think 35+ chimneys were hacks/cheats. I was called a hacker/cheater for getting 30+ chimneys... so I'm aware that chimneys can be incredibly fast and I would empathise with trello if he was indeed legit, but being called a hacker/cheater.

Would it be ridiculous to say what if an onscreen keyboard was pulled up and rapid mouse clicks were used to jump?

Or he could just be really bloody good, I don't know.

My guess would be that http://www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=86679 was using a mouse and onscreen keyboard, and that the 38s on normal chimneys are just some mad clicking skills.
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by Nahoj on Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:57 pm

cooperverdon wrote:Would it be ridiculous to say what if an onscreen keyboard was pulled up and rapid mouse clicks were used to jump?

Hey, that was my idea! :p
For me that does seem to work better than normal, 1-key chimneys, but only if I use my laptop.
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by cooperverdon on Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:54 am

@johan, I didn't know how to say that I got the idea from you, because Trello wouldn'tv'e and the idea Trello did it was from me. But yes, originally you did it, and that's how it was in my head.
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by TBOLT on Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:05 am

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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by TBOLT on Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:08 am

I jumped through the area shown here in the pic above on
Lucin's level - perfect mines position demo, but in the run of mine my run is corruprted
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by trello on Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:07 am

theres another hacker named "edoryac" he hacked on this chimney made by thorrr and got a score of 9873
www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=89795

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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by cooperverdon on Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:11 am

He hacked 00-2 and pushed me off the top 10!
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by trello on Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:12 am

he did?

edit: omg i see it now.

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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by cooperverdon on Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:15 am

and he hacked on 00-0, pushing white whale off


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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by Yoke300 on Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:59 am

Another hacker, steven257kc has at 01-4 fifth column an impossible score achieved.


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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by Armaghan on Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:50 am

Trello I hope you don't cheat in chimneys. Im not accusing you because I have no proof, but the point is how did you get 33 in 121027 in nreality? was it an fbf or some other technique. can you please teach me that?  <img src=)" longdesc="7" /> 
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by Armaghan on Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:42 pm

And I think asamdeys is also a hacker, cuz 5346 is definitely impossible without hacks in chimneys, also he took away my beautiful 0th in
"counting (piotrolinek edit)"
watch his run on the above mentioned name of map
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by TBOLT on Sat Aug 23, 2014 12:51 pm

on my map 3151 if you think I hacked I have proof that I had gold in my map shown - http://n-game-v2.forumactif.org/t23-thunder#1395

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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by Nightsky.ft.Requi on Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:24 pm

Hmm... if we would be fair, over 50% of N community is cheating at some way, aka speed hack. i dont want to call names. but over 12 wall jumps per second is NOT possible... Some people *Cough* made in some maps 15 wall jumps per second, what is also the highest possible amount what the program code allows in one block space. as i said i dont want to call names. with a speed hack it IS possible, even just the replay.

so for what reason should i play N-Game fair? why cant i take Cheat engine and make my game speed slower?  :shame: well, i didnt Read older posts. but here is my opinion.

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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by EddyMataGallos on Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:00 am

Nightsky.ft.Requi wrote:Hmm... if we would be fair, over 50% of N community is cheating at some way, aka speed hack. i dont want to call names. but over 12 wall jumps per second is NOT possible... Some people *Cough* made in some maps 15 wall jumps per second, what is also the highest possible amount what the program code allows in one block space. as i said i dont want to call names. with a speed hack it IS possible, even just the replay.

so for what reason should i play N-Game fair? why cant i take Cheat engine and make my game speed slower?  :shame: well, i didnt Read older posts. but here is my opinion.
It's called honor, if you have it, don't cheat. Most of the cheaters are on the userlevels since that's where most chimneys are. You don't need a good chimney to be a good player. I myself have a slow chimney to be honest.

Anyway, that's one of the main reasons I stopped highscoring N v2.0, because cheating is possible (apart from the levels being more boring, the physics being worse, and competition being crappier). That's why I'm currently sticking to N v1.4 with NReality's expansion, which is completely cheatproof.
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by cooperverdon on Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:26 am

Nightsky.ft.Requi wrote: as i said i dont want to call names. .

Who are you talking about? What is wrong with naming players that cheat?
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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by Nightsky.ft.Requi on Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:28 am

because this players also ask for it? now think about it.

3 Jumps on one bounce block... seriously?
"Quadro" jump... totally possible.
15 chimney jumps per second... of course no speed hack!
Ultra Mega pro levels/impossible levels beaten with no work... yep. this should finish it.

and no i wont name players anyways. you can search them, maybe you´ll find them. tip: the first one already posted here  :shame: 

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Re: Cheating discussion

Post by EddyMataGallos on Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:46 pm

Nightsky.ft.Requi wrote:because this players also ask for it? now think about it.

3 Jumps on one bounce block... seriously?
"Quadro" jump... totally possible.
15 chimney jumps per second... of course no speed hack!
Ultra Mega pro levels/impossible levels beaten with no work... yep. this should finish it.

and no i wont name players anyways. you can search them, maybe you´ll find them. tip: the first one already posted here  :shame: 
I agree with the chimney thing. As for the rest, really? Triple bb's and tough levels? That's no sign of cheating. I agree there are many cheaters in v2.0 userlevel scene, but none of that requires cheating. Specially the tough levels one, how can you even know how much effort/work was put into the run just by seeing it?

Triple bb jumps don't even have to do with speed lol... the difficulty relies on when to jump (the coordination). And thats on the top, doing a triple on the sides is exceptionally easy. Quad bb jumps are pure speed on the other hand, and I assume you are referring to Meta here (who is the only player I remember doing it), you should check out his quads in NReality to convince yourself that he is legit.
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