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Re: Cheating discussion
triple bounce block jumps require literally ~12 jumps per second (tested it myself), so 3 jumps in 0.25 seconds... physically not possible, with 2 fingers, yes. zzzzzzzzzzz <-- done with one finger at high speed. get it? quadrojump the same. physically not possible, and would take over 20 tries to perform it. Well hard levels can get beaten, yes.
Nightsky.ft.Requi- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
Nightsky, I've been playing this game since 2006, I know how those basic tricks work, and I can assure you that triple bb's are not based on speed. Please ask any experienced player from the v1.4 community (TRO or Raif, they know a lot), since most people in here (N v2.0) don't know much about how N physics works.
Thinking that those tricks are based on speed is a very naive approach, most people have trouble doing them at first because they just try to jam the key as fast as they can, and that's not how they work (except for the quads).
And thats triples on top, because as I said, triples on the sides are very very easy, I suppose you agree with me on this, if not I can record a video right now, I literally have 100% success rate here.
Regarding quads, those are indeed based on speed. Meta uses 2 fingers on the same key (with a drilling-like technique), you can ask him. As I said, he has done them in NReality. Other players might have cheated on N v2.0 doing quads, I don't know since I'm barely active on N v2.0 anymore, but regarding Meta, I assure you he is legit. NReality is the best way to prove it and I can tell you which specific map he has done it in.
Thinking that those tricks are based on speed is a very naive approach, most people have trouble doing them at first because they just try to jam the key as fast as they can, and that's not how they work (except for the quads).
And thats triples on top, because as I said, triples on the sides are very very easy, I suppose you agree with me on this, if not I can record a video right now, I literally have 100% success rate here.
Regarding quads, those are indeed based on speed. Meta uses 2 fingers on the same key (with a drilling-like technique), you can ask him. As I said, he has done them in NReality. Other players might have cheated on N v2.0 doing quads, I don't know since I'm barely active on N v2.0 anymore, but regarding Meta, I assure you he is legit. NReality is the best way to prove it and I can tell you which specific map he has done it in.
EddyMataGallos- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
wth is Nreality? o.O send me link pls
Nightsky.ft.Requi- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
Oh, I thought you knew it already. NReality is an expansion for N v1.4. Its awesome, and among many of the cool features it has, it has speedhack protection.
Nothing works with NReality, its uncheatable and unhackable, that's why since 2007 (when NReality was first released, although it has been updated several times since then) there have been no new cheaters on N v1.4. NReality provides a solid platform for highscoring, because all players know that the others are legit.
The reason it was created is that, around 2006-2007, there were several cheaters, and the trust among the community members was decaying. With this, that ended and the trust was rebuilt.
It also includes many more things apart from security measures, like 2 new game modes (speedrun and underclock), ingame NUMA browser and leaderboards, 500 new levels, new enemies, and many more things.
I highly recommend to download it and test, in my opinion its the best version of N . Here is the official thread:
http://forum.droni.es/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=355
The post is very informative already. This is a synthesis of the security measures:
Nothing works with NReality, its uncheatable and unhackable, that's why since 2007 (when NReality was first released, although it has been updated several times since then) there have been no new cheaters on N v1.4. NReality provides a solid platform for highscoring, because all players know that the others are legit.
The reason it was created is that, around 2006-2007, there were several cheaters, and the trust among the community members was decaying. With this, that ended and the trust was rebuilt.
It also includes many more things apart from security measures, like 2 new game modes (speedrun and underclock), ingame NUMA browser and leaderboards, 500 new levels, new enemies, and many more things.
I highly recommend to download it and test, in my opinion its the best version of N . Here is the official thread:
http://forum.droni.es/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=355
The post is very informative already. This is a synthesis of the security measures:
Anti-Hack:
Starting from NReality Version 5, it has
1. tripled the defense against speed hack
2. introduced defenses against memory hack
3. introduced defenses against sol hack
4. introduced defenses against decompilation
5. introduced defenses against illegal score submission
6. introduced the cheat & tricks history logs against hackers/cheaters activities.
EddyMataGallos- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
There should be like Nreality for 2.0 or at least 2.1 (if it even will ever come out) should have better cheating & hacking protection.
Ephemeral- Admin
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Hey I just wanted to ask although this isn't the right place. Why is my repu so bad? I have noticed some person down rating my posts. Although I don't really care about it but can moderators here tell me who is doing all this stuff? thanks
Armaghan- Admin
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And secondly why I prefer nreality over nv2 is because:
1. It has better physics, I mean its a bit faster and not floaty.
2. It supports NUMA, u can play and submit your scores
3. It has speedrun option, and I am a speedrunner not a highscorer
4. Its hackproof, failing james accuse that I hack in chimneys (if you don't believe me see my run in 121027 in nreality)
5. The Ned is way better
6. It has everything I ever wanted in n game
7. Lastly it has built in chat which is awesome but no one sits there
8. And one more thing it has a log of everything, the deaths
1. It has better physics, I mean its a bit faster and not floaty.
2. It supports NUMA, u can play and submit your scores
3. It has speedrun option, and I am a speedrunner not a highscorer
4. Its hackproof, failing james accuse that I hack in chimneys (if you don't believe me see my run in 121027 in nreality)
5. The Ned is way better
6. It has everything I ever wanted in n game
7. Lastly it has built in chat which is awesome but no one sits there
8. And one more thing it has a log of everything, the deaths
Armaghan- Admin
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Armaghan wrote:Hey I just wanted to ask although this isn't the right place. Why is my repu so bad? I have noticed some person down rating my posts. Although I don't really care about it but can moderators here tell me who is doing all this stuff? thanks
we cant show you sorry armaghan don't know who it is
TBOLT- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
I suppose we already settled this, but I wanted to do a quick video demonstrating the double block triple jumps, and how they are based on coordination and not on speed, so I made a little tutorial:Nightsky.ft.Requi wrote:because this players also ask for it? now think about it.
3 Jumps on one bounce block... seriously?
"Quadro" jump... totally possible.
15 chimney jumps per second... of course no speed hack!
Ultra Mega pro levels/impossible levels beaten with no work... yep. this should finish it.
and no i wont name players anyways. you can search them, maybe you´ll find them. tip: the first one already posted here
https://n-game-v2.forumactif.org/t132-bounceblock-triple-jumps#1464
EddyMataGallos- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
N has been quite quiet lately, regarding the cheating. Though, it still bothers me that you can easily 'hack' the scores, using the early 2.0 version (practically legally, as it's a game feature). Some people will know what i'm talkin' 'bout.
Ephemeral- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
Question that is not an accuse of cheating (i don't know where post this questione): www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=218202
I can't see oxymoron replay in my level! Why?
(This level was created only to tell at stupid people to don't post impossible levels, i write "don't rate this level" in the title, but i dont' know why the title is broken!!!")
I can't see oxymoron replay in my level! Why?
(This level was created only to tell at stupid people to don't post impossible levels, i write "don't rate this level" in the title, but i dont' know why the title is broken!!!")
thejumper£#!- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
And another question, one day i tried nreality but is not good for me, not fullscreen, different feeling from 1.4 and a lot of differences from 2.0 (i prefer than 1.4). There is a way to prevent hacking in 2.0 without change the feeling and features?
thejumper£#!- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
99% sure the replay is just corrupted.thejumper£#! wrote:Question that is not an accuse of cheating (i don't know where post this questione): www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=218202
I can't see oxymoron replay in my level! Why?
I don't think so.thejumper£#! wrote:There is a way to prevent hacking in 2.0 without change the feeling and features?
Ephemeral- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
Yesterday, I found out that metanet actually stores (for each map) the date that it was created, the date it was last modified, and the date it was released - this allows for easy checking of plagiarism. I still need to find a way to select a level by id instead of title/author.
vrugtehagel- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
vrugtehagel, you simply put the ID in the search box and hit "title".
Ephemeral- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
Sparta, I didn't know that, so thanks! I already found another way though (one I can hopefully inmplement in my editor, too )
vrugtehagel- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
Hi Everyone,
I saw a map by Dune-null
www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=243355
How did Kirtiraj played the level???
Many times I had seen Kirtiraj cheating.
I saw a map by Dune-null
www.thewayoftheninja.org/nv2.html?l=243355
How did Kirtiraj played the level???
Many times I had seen Kirtiraj cheating.
MD Mahmood- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
EddyMataGallos wrote:And thats triples on top, because as I said, triples on the sides are very very easy, I suppose you agree with me on this, if not I can record a video right now, I literally have 100% success rate here.
Hey this changes by the type of keyboard you use, with my (now broken) Logitech K350, was not easy triple, now i have a old PS2 keyboard and it is impossible... With notebook keyboard you can really do better.
thejumper£#!- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
I'd like to know more about this 2.1 versionSpartaX18 wrote:There should be like Nreality for 2.0 or at least 2.1 (if it even will ever come out) should have better cheating & hacking protection.
Threat- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
Metanet Software stated on "the Way of the Ninja" (Official N website) that a new N 2.1 is coming soon, promising better NED (level editor), more levels and even more secrets in the game. Metanet Software also stated that the source code of N will be released with the 2.1 version.Threat wrote:I'd like to know more about this 2.1 versionSpartaX18 wrote:There should be like Nreality for 2.0 or at least 2.1 (if it even will ever come out) should have better cheating & hacking protection.
-Wikipedia
That's all, really. No one seems to know any details. I doubt even Metanet does. Perhaps some dumbo fantasized about barely-announced N++ and mistook it for a new Nv2 version.
Ephemeral- Admin
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Re: Cheating discussion
Hi, about what Vrugtehagel said just above, I think a new N2 should have a message saying that you can just type the map ref in the title section (like in the help section). Also when a search for author is made you should be able to toggle if the maps are arranged by rating or by date (So if u come on N you can straight away see the Fujita maps you've missed -it'll improve the community aspect of the game).
I really want N2 to be fixed up and made proper, sry to say I don't like n++ much (n2 has a huge benefit of being able to be played in a browser)
I really want N2 to be fixed up and made proper, sry to say I don't like n++ much (n2 has a huge benefit of being able to be played in a browser)
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otherwise we're all lost in a shit storm (well sort of
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